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Saturday, December 29, 2007

Answering Some Questions Before I Move On

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<div>Ok, I am fully intending this blog to simply be a place where I am outlining how &amp; why some people come to full preterism (including how I came to it). Next I plan to outline the exegetical arguments for &amp; against the Full Preterist view. After that I plan to address specific propositions of the Full Preterist view. I did not intend to make this an interactive blog, so please do not take offense if I do not interact with comments. Perhaps when I get done outlining some of these issues I can go back &amp; interact. But, I do want to take a moment to address a few things:</div>
<p><span style="font-size: 180%;">1.</span> I JUST renounced a 15 year belief. Please give me time to see where this is taking me. Some people have accused me of doing this to get attention. Really? Am I getting positive attention? I have gotten more rude emails &amp; unposted comments from friends &amp; foes than ever before – making accusations against me that I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m hearing. Also, though I appreciate the encouragement from people like Dee Dee Warren, what would it look like if suddenly tomorrow I started writing articles on her website &amp; hobnobbing with every former “opponent”? Again, please give me time.<br />
<span style="font-size: 180%;">2.</span> Some Full Preterists are upset because they say I&#8217;m unfairly “lumping” them together with “a few rotten apples” &#8212; Well as much as I am disheartened to cause hurt to some folks, the “lumping” in comes from the fact that I&#8217;m NOT talking about some “few” or a “splinter group” within Full Preterism – I&#8217;m talking about the main advocates. For instance, where do most of the main advocates of preterism go when they want to post an article or make an announcement? Where do these same advocates go when they want to speak at a conference? – THAT is the place that is really the main representation &amp; mouthpiece of Full Preterism. I think if you find that place you&#8217;ll soon see why you are being “lumped” together. Do you have any power to not be lumped together with that main group??? Let me tell you what the administrator of that main group has said:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>we will put a new face on Preterism, whether our critics like it or not. We will drag them kicking and screaming, and confidently we will reassert that Preterism is about the Kingdom, not about being right on eschatology;</em> (Virgil Vaduva &#8211; see source)<br />
<em>We are the new proud and confident face of Preterism, so learn to live with us; it is not a demand, it is simply a fact. </em>(Virgil Vaduva &#8211; see source)</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>source:</strong> </span><a href="http://planetpreterist.com/news-2765.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/planetpreterist.com/news-2765.html?referer=');"><span style="color: #ff9900;">http://planetpreterist.com/news-2765.html</span></a><span style="color: #ff9900;"> (The guy who said these things so much doesn&#8217;t want people to see them that he has redirected the link to some other site if you try to click it from here. This is just another example of the poor &amp; immature character of the main advocates among Full Preterism. Just copy &amp; paste it into your browser-bar if you want to view it (until he removes it altogether)</span></p>
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<p>So, you see theses guys don&#8217;t think you people are driving this boat – they think they are &amp; they arrogantly tell everyone that they will “drag” others even “kicking &amp; screaming” along THEIR version &amp; if you don&#8217;t like it, tough is what they say – they are running the show, not you. So, you are “lumped” together whether you like it or not. You might think you can be a “Full Preterist” over in your own little corner undefined by guys like the one I quoted above but you are only fooling yourselves.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 180%;">3.</span> Some Full Preterists have been saying my opposition is only on the basis of the poor characters I reference – That is not true. I also have great opposition to many main tenets of Full/hyper-preterism, the first being the common position that the “Law was destroyed” &#8212; this is emphatically untrue, Jesus says specifically that He came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it – this is something much different than what these people are advocating. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mt%205:17;&amp;version=50;50;31;49;15;" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mt_205_17_amp_version=50_50_31_49_15&amp;referer=');">Matthew 5:17</a>)<br />
Again, I will outline more specific doctrine disputes I have as I go along.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 180%;">4.</span> Some Full Preterists are confused by what they see as a sudden shift by me – yet if they had been paying attention they would know full well it isn&#8217;t sudden but has been coming along for over 5 years now. Perhaps it first started with the influx of universalism that swept Full Preterism a few years back, then the embracing of “Emergent/Postmodernism” &amp; add to that the neglect by most of the prominent Full Preterists to speak against these issues – oh, but they would still show up at conferences sponsored by supporters of these corruptions &#8212; &amp; typically NOT to speak against these things but just to pat-backs &amp; shake hands with their &#8220;dear brothers&#8221;. Folks, if a group cannot even police itself then something is terribly wrong. Look again at the 1 Cor 5 Church &amp; you will see what happens when people think their “loving tolerance” of corruption is a noble thing to be proud of. This reflects poorly upon ALL persons in the group whether they like it or not – silence is affirmation.</p>
<p>So again, give me time to work through some of this – if you are a full preterist &amp; you just want to ignore what I&#8217;m doing, what I&#8217;m writing so be it. But just know that for those who have been telling me that all of this should have been an “in-house” discussion &amp; is only giving ammo to the “futurists” &#8212; you&#8217;d better believe it. The opportunity for an “in-house” discussion is past – there were too many years of hearing people tell me to shut up &amp; go away, so now this discussion will take place outside &amp; I hope it does give as much ammo as possible to take down every corrupt element of Full Preterism that there is, both corrupt character &amp; doctrine.</p>
<p>Lastly, let me say to those who consider themselves “historic” or partial-preterists who fear what I am doing will even give ammo for futurists to attack their position – be assured I doubt that.</p>
<p><strong>To conclude, I will say, it is not I who has betrayed Full Preterism but Full Preterism betrayed me.</strong></div>
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<h2 class="date-header">Thursday, December 27, 2007</h2>
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<h3 class="post-title entry-title"><a href="http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/unpreterizing-yourself-how-did-you-get.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/unpreterizing-yourself-how-did-you-get.html?referer=');">Unpreterizing Yourself: How did you get here?</a></h3>
<div class="post-body entry-content"><a href="http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/unpreterizing-yourself-how-did-you-get.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/unpreterizing-yourself-how-did-you-get.html?referer=');"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5148834297523912578" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; float: left;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_aSRw9WJ6y-A/R3RVg49Cv4I/AAAAAAAAABM/vRC4Hnu15Sk/s320/spiderweb.bmp" border="0" alt="" /></a><span style="font-size: 130%;">A</span>s with any complex &amp; precarious situation in which you might find yourself, one of the first things to help undo the situation is to determine how you might have gotten into it in the first place.</p>
<div>A pattern I have noticed within hyper-preterism is that almost all of them suffer from “rejection syndrome” &#8212; this in its simplest terms means that they were already suffering from a complex of having been rejected by a mainline group. Allow me to elaborate.<br />
Modern “Full Preterism” has its roots within the denomination of “Churches of Christ” (CoC) which by nature is a very “rejected” denomination by most of mainline Christianity. Keep in mind, I am not saying this as an “attack” on or insult toward CoC people as I count many CoC people as friends – but it is just a matter of fact that CoC (originally called “<a href="http://alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&amp;cs=utf8&amp;q=Campbellites&amp;rys=0&amp;itag=crv&amp;_sb_lang=pref" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/alltheweb.com/search?cat=web_amp_cs=utf8_amp_q=Campbellites_amp_rys=0_amp_itag=crv_amp_sb_lang=pref&amp;referer=');">Campbellites</a>” by its detractors) is often considered almost a “cult” by mainline Christianity since CoC grew out of the “Restoration Movement” as did other cults like Mormons, Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, &amp; Pentecostalism. If you doubt this or it enrages you, please see these sources: (<a href="http://alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&amp;cs=utf8&amp;q=cult+%22Church+of+Christ%22&amp;rys=0&amp;itag=crv&amp;_sb_lang=pref" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/alltheweb.com/search?cat=web_amp_cs=utf8_amp_q=cult+_22Church+of+Christ_22_amp_rys=0_amp_itag=crv_amp_sb_lang=pref&amp;referer=');">source #1</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churches_of_Christ" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churches_of_Christ?referer=');">source #2</a>)</div>
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<div>So, with the rejection background CoC people are prime &amp; prone for deviating further &amp; further from any historical form of Christianity, indeed the Restoration Movement from which CoC hails has in common with the other cults, one specific element – all of these groups claimed to be “restoring” Christianity back to its first-century structure &amp; practice. In this effort they tended to reject all historical creeds &amp; confessions of the Catholic AND Protestant Church &amp; in essence started from scratch even to the point of creating many of their own Bible versions to support their new theology, as the Mormons &amp; Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses did (Mormon = Book of Mormon, JW = New World Translation). The problem is, these groups were not really getting back to the first-century Church but rather they were innovating &amp; creating their own version of what they <em>thought</em> or <em>wanted</em> the first-century Church to be.</div>
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Perhaps at this point a CoC reader is upset about the connection I am making, but again it is not an attempt to disparage because now I will hit closer to home with my own experience since I do NOT have a background within the CoC.</div>
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<div>Another group to which hyper-preterism has appealed is some forms of Baptists (which is my background) &amp; just as with the CoC, Baptists have a history of being anti-creedal &amp; anti-confessional yet are still typically accepted within mainline Christianity &amp; indeed in America, the Southern Baptist Convention is now the largest “Protestant” group. This maverick mentality again leaves the average Baptist susceptible to doctrinal perversion. I have experienced this first-hand as I was a practicing Baptist for over 12 years &amp; I know during that time I was rarely taught much of Church history &amp; how we progressed (or digressed depending on your perspective).</div>
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So, the pattern I see is that most hyper-preterists are ripe for accepting the belief because they are typically already half way there. They have a mindset of being rejected by the Church or perhaps even self-piously preservers of the <em>“true”</em> Church &amp; thus of course the <em>“true”</em> teachings. Once a hyper-preterist begins to experience even further rejection such as how most hyper-preterist are rejected by even the CoC &amp; the Baptists, it is not a far slide.<br />
An ironic side effect of this rejection syndrome from which most all preterists suffer is their tendency to become even more combative. I say it is ironic because for all their talk of being “victorious” &amp; preaching some extensive end of Death &amp; Satan they tend to live a life of victim-hood – much the same as an injured &amp; cornered animal, such as a family pet will lash out irrationally against even people that are attempting to help, so too do most hyper-preterists when people reach out to bring them back from their errors. They are anything but “victorious”.<br />
As I conclude, I don&#8217;t want anyone to misconstrue that I am advocating creeds &amp; confessions over Scripture – it should be obvious that I am a strong advocate for <em>Sola Scriptura</em> but Sola Scriptura is not <em>SOLO</em> Scriptura – that is, Scripture has NEVER operated in a vacuum, it is true because it is true when presented in any environment. A creed &amp; a confession is simply a collection of <em>“I believe&#8230;”</em> statements. The point is, that our <em>“belief statements”</em> should reflect &amp; accord with Scripture thus EVERY person who calls themselves a Christian follows a creed or/&amp; a confession but at issue is whether it is a personal/vague creed of their own making, a new innovation that departs from sound doctrine, or if it is a biblically-tested, time-tested, Church-tested (as in tested by the whole of Christian peers) belief?<br />
There may be times &amp; points at which to diverge from the majority of Christianity &amp; from the historical Church but those times must be approached with the utmost care &amp; even <em>“fear”</em>. It is no light thing to find yourself against the weight of Christian history. To say it has failed at some point does do harm to the Sovereignty of God &amp; His ability to bring about His Will. This is one reason why the Restoration Movement was so odorous to mainline Protestants – the groups that were coming from the Restoration Movement were actually saying the Church &amp; the Gospel had been <em>“lost”</em> &amp; needed to be <em>“restored”</em>. Oh, what a charge against God who said that even the gates of hades would not prevail against the Church. (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&amp;chapter=16&amp;verse=18&amp;version=50&amp;context=verse" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47_amp_chapter=16_amp_verse=18_amp_version=50_amp_context=verse&amp;referer=');">Mt 16:18</a>)<br />
Hyper-preterists are certainly <strong>not</strong> approaching with care &amp; caution with their serious claim of being <em>“reformers”</em> &amp; <em>“restorers” </em>of the Church. They too often blithely talk about <em>“paradigm shifts”</em> as they go about not just uprooting hay, wood, &amp; stubble but actually attempting to pry up the very foundations of historic Christianity &amp; putting in its place their “new kind of Christianity” which is completely disconnected from anything that came before.</div>
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<h2 class="date-header">Saturday, December 22, 2007</h2>
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<p><a href="http://unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/hyper-preterism-root-of-death.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/unpreterist.blogspot.com/2007/12/hyper-preterism-root-of-death.html?referer=');"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5146850344755707762" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; float: left; width: 320px; height: 180px;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_aSRw9WJ6y-A/R21JHo9Cv3I/AAAAAAAAAAk/4g1xjh2FXBA/s320/rootofdeath.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="320" height="187" /></a></p>
<div><span style="font-family: lucida grande; color: #009900;"><strong><span style="font-size: 180%;">A</span></strong>t first the preterist view seems like a tree of life, liberating the person from stodgy, dry theological ponderings of the past&#8230;but as a person consumes more &amp; more from the fruits of preterism they are soon consumed themselves.</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">If they had not been inoculated against blantant falsehood, they will soon find themselves completely unmoored &amp; drifting along on the abysmal <em>&#8220;journey&#8221;</em> that is hyper-preterism.</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">The journey into this lethal land of latitudinous error typically begins with an unfortunate experience. </span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">The experience ranges from anything where the person begins to question a mentor about eschatology &amp; the mentor clearly has a poor grasp of the subject &amp; thus is seen to flounder or even hypocritically &amp; inconsistently answer, or the person may have already had side-effects of some rejection they are suffering. Perhaps they didn&#8217;t fit in well with some mainline group so now they look for the most off-the-beat-and-path concept they can to really stick it to the rejectors. (This is the reason many of the original Hyper-Preterists were from the denomination of <em>&#8220;Church of Christ&#8221;</em> &#8212; a group that thrives on being self-piously &#8220;rejected&#8221; by mainline Christianity) </span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">At first everything seems new, like they have just &#8217;rounded a corner to find an open vista of glorious green &amp; a pure river flowing from a tree of life &#8212; but in reality they are about to eat from the root of death. Death, because hyper-preterism kills the morality of a person. I don&#8217;t mean it COULD or MIGHT or POSSIBLY but 99.9% it DOES adversely affect their character. Just as true hyper-calvinism or universalism leads people to behave in a <em>&#8220;tolerant&#8221;</em> manner that would even shame the immoral <em>&#8220;tolerance&#8221;</em> of the Christians in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor%205;&amp;version=50;31;" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1_20Cor_205_amp_version=50_31&amp;referer=');">1 Cor 5</a> &#8212; hyper-preterism is all of this combined into one. </span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">For many people, by the time they see this, it is too late. They have already invested so much of their life into it that it is almost impossible for them to UNpreterism themselves.</span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">I am devoting this site to helping people stop their addiction to the root of death that preterism has become. In the coming weeks, months, &amp; years if needed I will step through my 15 years of time within the preterist community. I will bring foward the details of the various preterist propositions &amp; show where they veer from the biblical path. </span></div>
<div><span style="color: #009900;">May God use this site to help someone escape from their self-made oblivion.</span></div>
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